The world of blogging, podcasting and social media is a dynamic –and dominant – force in the way individuals share and consume information. In this fast-paced approach to sharing, we stop to consider the ethics involved.

With the help of Jennifer Leggio  - social media expert, former journalist and friend of the Security Roundtable – we tackle the issue of ethics. During this highly informative roundtable discussion, we tackle the responsibility (and credibility) of bloggers, podcasters and especially the individual responsibility of those consuming the information.

This episode is packed with ideas and comments that will get the juices flowing. If you want to continue to conversation with us – join us in the Security Catalyst Community (just pay attention to the naming standard – you must use your real name).

Learn more about the participants:

Jennifer Leggio

http://blogs.zdnet.com/feeds/

http://mediaphyter.wordpress.com/

http://twitter.com/mediaphyter

Martin McKeay

http://www.mckeay.net/

http://netsecpodcast.com/

http://twitter.com/mckeay

Michael Santarcangelo

http://www.securitycatalyst.com/

http://www.intothebreach.com/ (books now available – eBook or hardcover)

http://twitter.com/catalyst

Our guest for this episode is Zach – security professional, friend of the show and curator of the Security Twits list.

Twitter: www.twitter.com

Zach: http://twitter.com/quine

Michael: http://twitter.com/catalyst

Martin: http://twitter.com/mckeay

Security Twits: http://n0where.org/security-twits/

Next Recording: Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 10a Eastern – look for the live stream (and your chance to participate) around 10:15.

Welcome to the September 13, 2008 Security Roundtable. I know, we missed August – despite our best attempts (we recorded a flop – my fault – that we will make up and bring to you in the future). The time away gave us a chance to sit and plan. Whacky, right?

As a result, Martin McKeay and I are evolving (improving) the Security Roundtable!

Starting now, we’ll be recording every other week at 7 am Pacific/10a Eastern on Saturday mornings. And we’ll be streaming the recording live (http://hak5radio.com:8000/srt.mp3.m3u), opening a chat session and encouraging more bloggers and podcasters to join us. Of course, we will continue to distribute the recordings through this site – so if you have to do yard work, watch the kids, make us breakfast… you won’t miss a thing.

The discussion continues in the Security Catalyst Community, too. In fact, in some cases, it may even start there… 

Our goal is simple: keep the program simple, under an hour and relevant while blending together the voices of the community. This is also an opportunity for members of the community to participate through segments. Rather than have a larger, static “panel” of people, we’re exploring more voices, shorter segments and more interactive. We’d love to know what you think, what you want to hear and if you want to be involved. 

While we consider this recording to be an experiment – it is a show where I learned from the conversation. In fact, I look forward to listening to it again. Our guest for the show is Marc Massar, Principal Solutions Architect at Venafi. I had interviewed Venafi previously (and liked their approach) and was happy to welcome Marc to the program.

Our rules are/were simple: no sales pitch. Marc didn’t need the rules – he’s got a solid background and jumped right into a meaty discussion about the industry and how we can improve our solutions.

Security Roundtable for September 13th, 2008

The next SRT will be recorded on September 27th, 2008 at 7:00 a.m. PDT.  Martin will be at the McKeay Global HQ (with coffee) and I will be in Vegas, with Mountain Dew. The first program in October – we’ll both be in the same town, and are working now to be in the same place at the same time. Watch out!

Want to be involved? Drop us a note and let us know… 

The July discussion started by exploring the concept of battling botnets with botnets. The genesis of the conversation was the paper, “Phalanx: Withstanding Multimillion-node Botnet,” written by Colin Dixon, Arvind Krishnamurthy and Tom Anderson. This came around the time buzz was being generated around the entire concept of battling botnets with botnets, and we decided to explore it with an open discussion that included ethics and unintended consequences.

As it turns out – the discussion was that, and more. Much more. This discussion brought forth the value of the Security Roundtable – since we left with more questions than when we started. This is good! When listening to the discussion, perhaps it will stimulate even more questions!

Thanks to the panel:

• Colin Dixon | http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/ckd/
• Andrew Hay | http://www.andrewhay.ca/
• Martin McKeay | www.mckeay.net
• Michael Santarcangelo | www.securitycatalyst.com & www.intothebreach.com

The discussion ran a bit longer than we alloted, yet even on our review listen proved worth every minute. We raised some interesting questions and look forward to sharing the conversation with you. This is only the beginning and we invite you to share your ideas, insights and feedback in the Security Catalyst Community. 

Additional Links Mentioned

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/ckd/ –> you can download the paper here

http://www.icir.org/vern/papers/cdc-usenix-sec02/

Joining the conversation in the Security Catalyst Community

Share your ideas in the Security Catalyst Community. Your participation is your currency (means no charge to join) – the more you contribute the more you learn and the more valuable the community becomes to everyone (so dive in and share). If you have not yet registered, please remember to use firstname.lastname as the standard.

After attending an interesting discussion during RSA, Martin and I invited the Jericho Forum to join us at the roundtable to talk more about what Jericho Forum is, an what it does. We learned a lot and share the discussion with you…

Joining us on the program:

• Michael Santarcangelo – The Security Catalyst and author of Into the Breach
• Martin McKeay – Host of the Network Security Podcast and Captain Privacy
• Chris Hoff – Luminary and Jogger
• Paul Simmonds (bio below) – Co-Founder Jericho Forum
• Shane Buckley (bio below) – CEO Rohati Systems

Learn more about Jericho Forum: http://www.opengroup.org/jericho/

Paul Simmonds, Co-founder and board of management Jericho Forum  & former CISO, ICI
Until May 2008 Paul Simmonds was the CISO at ICI (www.ici.com). Paul’s varied career has included Electronic counter-measures, Theatre Lighting, North Sea Oil control systems, JET (Nuclear Fusion Research) and commercial radio. Prior to joining ICI in 2001 he was Head of Information Security with a high security web hosting company and before that spent seven years with Motorola, as global information security manager. 

Paul was awarded European Chief Security Officer of the year at the 2005 SC Magazine Awards and is listed in both the 2004 & 2005 global top 50 most powerful people in networking by the US publication Network World.  Paul sits on the management board of the Jericho Forum and the Executive Advisory Board of ISSA UK. He also is a British Canoe Union Level 3 Kayak Coach.

Shane Buckley, President & CEO, Rohati Systems, Inc.

Shane Buckley is the President and Chief Executive Officer at Rohati Systems, Inc. Buckley comes to Rohati with more than 20 years of global executive and general management expertise, having held senior executive positions in the United States, Europe, the Middle East and Asia-Pacific.

Before taking the helm at Rohati, Buckley served as Chief Operating Officer at Nevis Networks, Inc. a leader in network access control. Previously, he was Vice President of Worldwide Enterprises for Juniper Networks. Prior to that, he served as the International President of Peribit Networks, the leader in Network Optimization. Juniper Networks purchased Peribit in June 2005 for $380M. Before Peribit, Buckley served as Chief Executive Officer of Conduit Software, a provider of Directory Assistance and Wireless Applications solutions. Previously, he was Vice President, EMEA at 3Com. In this role, he managed a $2.2 billion business unit and was responsible for 3Com’s distribution strategy, OEM partnerships and reseller channels. Buckley also chaired 3Com’s Global Distribution Council, was a member of the company’s worldwide OEM steering team, and served as 3Com’s head of operations for the Asia-Pacific Region based in Hong Kong and Tokyo. 

Buckley is a frequent speaker at high-level industry trade shows and events such as Gitex, CeBIT and The Wall Street Journal Europe conference. He has also contributed to a number of magazines and news programs including MSNBC, SABC and Middle East Business news. He holds an engineering degree from the Cork Institute of Technology in Ireland.

Dr. Anton Chauvakin | http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/

James Costello | http://genesyswave.blogspot.com/

Jennifer Leggio | http://mediaphyter.wordpress.com/

Martin McKeay | http://www.mckeay.net/

Michael Santarcangelo | http://www.securitycatalyst.com/

We discussed the RSA 2008 conference from a variety of perspectives. 

Welcome to the Security Round Table for September, where our panel of passionate security and privacy professionals considers the question: Do we have privacy anymore?

Our Panel

• Michael Santarcangelo – Moderator – expert on changing the way people protect information. www.securitycatalyst.com & www.intothebreach.com
• Rebecca Herold – Information security, privacy and compliance professor, writer and consultant.  http://www.realtime-itcompliance.com & http://www.privacyguidance.com
• Andrew Hay – Manager of Integration Services @ Q1 Labs, blogger (http://www.andrewhay.ca), author (OSSEC Host-based Intrusion Detection)
• Dr. Anton Chuvakin – Chief Logger and Blogger from the “No privacy – ‘get over it!’ camp” -  http://www.securitywarrior.org
• Martin McKeay – Affectionately called Cpt. Privacy by Mike Rothman, he still refuses to wear tights and a cape (especially the tights) http://www.mckeay.net
• Dan York – Producer and Co-Host, Blue Box: The VoIP Security Podcast – http://www.blueboxpodcast.com/  &  http://www.voipsa.org/blog/

Talking points

• Definition of privacy
• How does privacy in the 21st century differ from privacy in the 20th century and before?
• How have the attitudes of government and the populace changed privacy in the last decade?
• Does the average end user understand privacy?
• Online databases
• What can we do today and can we recover the privacy we’ve lost (or never had)?

Coming in October

In October we will be exploring the role/value of end-user awareness with a panel of differing opinions. If you are responsible for creating an end-user awareness program – this is an episode you will not want to miss!

As an added bonus, we’re going to start using Talk Shoe for our monthly SRT episodes – and after the show taping, Security Catalyst Community (http://www.securitycatalyst.org) members will have the option to participate in a live Q&A session.

If you have ideas for topics or want to be invited to serve on one of our panels, contact me directly at securitycatalyst@gmail.com

The August Security Round Table podcast assembled an expert panel to explore the keys to a successful security career – and how you can find the perfect job for you.  We recorded this discussion on Tuesday, August 14th 2007 and present it now for your listening pleasure.  

Your esteemed panel

Michael Santarcangelo | http://www.securitycatalyst.com/ & http://www.intothebreach.com/

Martin McKeay | http://www.mckeay.net/

Mike Murray | http://episteme.ca/ & http://www.forgettheparachute.com/

Ron Vereggen | http://www.rapidsuccesscoach.com/

Daniel Sweet | http://fracat.com/

Questions or Comments?

If you have questions or comments for our panelists, please send an email to question [SHIFT-2] securityroundtable [DOT] com and we’ll work to answer it – either in the Security Catalyst Community forums (http://community.securitycatalyst.com/forums/index.php) , or in an upcoming episode.

Coming up on future Security Round Table Episodes

We’ll be exploring and debating.. 

• Security Fundamentals
• Do we have privacy anymore?
• Security ROI: Fact or Fiction

Do you want to participate or listen live? 

We’re also exploring the ability to host the SRT on a regular basis so that SCC members can listen live – and then participate in a private chat right after the recording. I’m exploring some different options, but if you have an idea or suggestion – please let me know by sending a message to me – securitycatalyst [SHIFT-2] gmail.com

Why is OpenID in the news right now?

Microsoft Announcement at RSA generated news – announced by Bill Gates in keynote:

• Microsoft view: http://www.identityblog.com/?p=668
• JainRain view: http://kveton.com/blog/2007/02/06/cardspace-openid-working-together/
• Sxip Identity: http://identity20.com/?p=90
• Netmesh: http://netmesh.info/jernst/Digital_Identity/cardspace-openid.html
• Brad Fitzpatrick (who wrote OpenID back at LiveJournal): http://brad.livejournal.com/2287909.html
• - see the TailRank summary for follow-on commentary
• Digg adopts OpenID: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/20/kevin-rose-at-fowa-digg-adopts-openid

• Slashdot discussion – good comments: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?threshold=0&mode=thread&commentsort=0&op=Change&sid=221002

Excellent summary – “Five Key Takeaways from Microsoft, OpenID Announcement“Other recent news – AOL support OpenID: http://journals.aol.com/panzerjohn/abstractioneer/entries/2007/02/15/aol-and-openid-where-we-are/1406It also appears that AOL enabled OpenID support for all 63 million AIM users! – http://chimprawk.blogspot.com/2007/02/is.html

What is OpenID? What problem is it trying to solve?

Main OpenID website – http://www.openid.net/Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIDCommunity marketing – http://iwantmyopenid.org/illustrated overviews:

• OpenID 1.1 protocol flow – http://openid.net/pres/protocolflow-1.1.png
• http://www.openidenabled.com/openid/openid-protocol
• OpenID pingpong – http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2005/05/openid-part-iii-pingpong/

• Screencast – http://simonwillison.net/2006/openid-screencast/
• Presentation – http://identity20.com/media/ETECH_2006/ – great history of web identity systems – gets into company-specific stuff at the end, but does a nice overall job.

OpenID specification- http://openid.net/specs.bmlZDNet: “The Case for OpenID” – http://blogs.zdnet.com/digitalID/?p=78

How does it work?

See http://openid.net/about.bmlList of presentations at http://openid.net/presentations.bmlOpenID screencast – http://simonwillison.net/2006/openid-screencast/From http://www.openidenabled.com/openid/about-openidGood description of process (from Microsoft’s Kim Cameron ): An interaction starts with the user telling the RP (relying party) what her URL is (1). The RP consults the URL content to determine where the user’s IP is located (not shown). Then it redirects the user to her IP (identity provider) to pick up an authentication token, as shown in (2) and (3). To do the authentication, the IP has to be sure that it’s the user who is making the request. So it presents her with an authentication screen, typically asking for a username and password in (4). If they are entered correctly, the IP mints a token to send to the RP as shown in (5) and (6). If the IP and RP already know each other, this is the end of the authentication part of the protocol. If not, the back channel is used as well.More details:

• You register with a Identity provider (IdP or “i-broker”). Some are commercial, some are free. Examples:

• ClaimID: http://www.claimid.com/
• MyOpenID (JainRain): http://www.myopenid.com/
• Verisign: http://pip.verisignlabs.com/
• LiveJournal – your LiveJournal account can be used as an OpenID.
• Long list of public OpenID providers – http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Public_OpenID_providers

• OpenID Site Directory: https://www.myopenid.com/directory
• OpenIDEnabled Site: http://www.openidenabled.com/
• Technorati: http://technorati.com/weblog/2006/10/144.html
• Mag.nolia: http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/11/30/sign-in-your-way

So for a blog comment, for instance, instead of typing in your username, password, etc., you could just use your OpenID.More sites will be using it soon… note the bounty for OpenID in open source projects: http://iwantmyopenid.org/bounty

Security issues – phishing

• Critical part is where you login to your IdP… what if a phisher set up a site to dupe your OpenID provider? They could then capture your credentials
• Description of threat (and Microsoft response): http://www.identityblog.com/?p=659
• Ideas to respond: http://kveton.com/blog/2007/01/24/myopenid-new-anti-phishing-tools-available/
• Another idea (and MITM attack): http://usablesecurity.com/2007/01/20/phishing-and-openid/
• Aswath Rao: http://www.mocaedu.com/mt/archives/000287.html

Open option for Firefox: PHOff – http://chile.ootao.com/phoff/Other commentary on the phishing issue:

• http://www.links.org/?p=187 and http://www.links.org/?p=188
• “OpenID, before you get too excited” – http://www.clipperz.com/users/marco/blog/2007/01/26/openid_before_you_get_too_excited

Security issues – single point-of-failure

• So what happens if your Identity provider goes away? Or you decide you want to stop trusting them?
• Two solutions:
  1. Have multiple OpenIDs – no reason you can’t.
  2. Use a domain that you own as your OpenID and delegate back to a IdP – just by adding two lines of HTML code to that website – see http://simonwillison.net/2006/Dec/19/openid/
• This second solution is probably best because you retain control. In first solution, what happens to all those accounts you created with the ID that you no longer trust.

Future of OpenID

• Steve Kveton’s predictions – http://kveton.com/blog/2007/01/04/2007-openid-predictions/
• OpenID 2.0 specification? – http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0-11.html
• Further adoption – AOL’s plans. Yahoo? Google? (will it work with those accounts?)
• CardSpace and other complementary products
• OpenID as an authentication mechanism in VoIP? – http://www.mocaedu.com/mt/archives/000285.html
• OpenID as a way to maintain control over blog content? – http://www.micropersuasion.com/2007/01/blog_platforms_.html (I don’t know that this will actually work, as I learn more about OpenID)

• Competing systems? SAML from Liberty Alliance? Proprietary? Typekey ? (although see the SixApart page on OpenID)

Links for more research:

Dan’s del.icio.us links – http://del.icio.us/dyork/openidPlanet OpenID (splice of blogs) – http://planet.openid.net/OpenID Wiki – http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Main_PageMore del.icio.us links – http://del.icio.us/keepthebyte/openid and http://del.icio.us/tag/openidConverting your site to OpenID: http://kveton.com/blog/2006/11/28/converting-your-site-to-openid/emphemeral profiles – do some people really want identity anyway? http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/01/ephemeral_profi.html and http://vquill.com/2007/01/throwaway-identities.htmlKim Cameron’s lengthy paper on digital identity – see the “Laws of Identity” section: http://www.identityblog.com/?page_id=352/

Dan is a true expert and instructor on this topic – and school was definitely in for the SRT team!

Joining in on this episode:

Paul Asadorian | Pauldotcom Security Weekly
Martin McKeay | Network Security Podcast
Larry Pesce | Pauldotcom Security Weekly

Michael Santarcangelo | The Security Catalyst
Alan Shimel | SSAATY (Still Secure After All These Years)
Dan York | Blue Box: The VoIP Security Podcast

Is there a right way to report on privacy and security breaches?

Join the Security Round Table with Special Guest Randal Schwartz to discuss this important issue.

On this episode:

Larry Pesce | Pauldotcom Security Weekly | Haxor the Matrix
Martin McKeay | Network Security Blog & Podcast
Michael Santarcangelo | The Security Catalyst
Randal Schwartz | Stonehenge | Legal Information: Friends of Randal Schwartz